“Pre-Tribbers Better Hope They Don’t Lose Faith in the Trib!”

What you are going to read here will eventually be moved into the current project under works.  I have touched on some of these things before, on other pages.  However, they speak to things far too critical to simply leave go until the current work is complete.

The rapture

So, this page will remain until the new page is ready for publishing.

2 Peter 3:1-10 KJV – This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ~

The return of the Lord is at hand. For all of those that scoff – you are in mortal danger! These scriptures do not describe the Second Coming. . .

The rapture will not resemble anything we have been raised to believe. There will be no piles of folded clothes.

It will be a judgment upon the earth, and millions of unbelievers will perish right along with believers that refused to accept the return of the Lord was possible, and with believers that lacked the faith to trust the promises of the Lord that he can provide.

There are many believers that scoff. I hear many excuses and see every possible twisting of scripture to justify why God is powerless to save the overcomer. Some of the things I see are downright disturbing in what they reveal in the hearts of the believer that speaks them. There is literally a lust in the hearts of many of these believers – a lust to see the tribulation come – a lust to be proven right – a lust to see others suffer just to shout “I told you so!”

Watch their conversations carefully – it is there.

The standard refrain becomes “pre-tribbers need to pray that they don’t lose faith in the tribulation.”

Oh really? Never mind that the Gospels declare otherwise.

Mark 13:9, 11 – But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost

Luke 21:12-15 – But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

There is a terrible truth to face for those that declare such deceptions, and do so with lust in their hearts. It is not of others that they speak – it is of themselves. When they utter such words as “pre-tribbers will fall into deception”, “pre-tribbers will accept the Antichrist” or “pre-tribbers will lose faith in the tribulation” – they are revealing what is in their own hearts!

Matthew 12:33-37 KJV – Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Luke 6:43-45 KJV – For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

If you have comforted yourself with such words, holding yourself up as “wise” because you can see where others are failing, it will be you that shall fall be your own ignorance.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of those that scoff at the soon return of the Lord and have reached the point where this is the fruit they bear.  Many of those are already lost – they simply don’t know it yet. As the scriptures above make perfectly clear, this is a point where the heart has hardened to the point that there is nothing left for them.

We will cover this in a moment, but it no accident that this is also the block of scriptures that declares the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

You better quit worrying about pre-tribbers, and worry about your own soul. What happens when the rapture sweeps the earth, and does not look like the traditional picture we all grew up with. What happens when the voice of the Lord comes to you and tells you what has occurred.

What happens when fear fills your heart, and the words “I was wrong” weigh on you like a terrible plague.

What happens when you are forced to come face to face with the terrible truth – that you never had the faith in Christ that you thought you had? What happens when the truth truly dawns on you that you were the foolish virgin. What happens when yo are cast to outer darkness, and you weep and gnash your teeth in anguish?

What will you do then?

~ Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. ~

“Where is the promise of His coming?” Does this sound familiar?

You will have a choice.

You can repent, as we all do now when the Lord speaks to us. Or, you can deny the voice of the Lord when he reveals the truth to you.

Then you will have real problems.

Ever wonder why Satan fights the pre-trib rapture so hard? You see, the greater the deception before the rapture, the less chance of recovering from that deception after the rapture.

Satan is working on building his body count, and scoffing believers are target number one. That would be those believers that always bring a “but” to the party:

“I have faith in Christ, but – God helps those that help themselves!”

The last time I checked, Ben Franklin was not in the Bible. Sage advice to be sure, if but for one tiny problem. . .

It is a direct violation of the Bible. Ever really stop and think about what Jesus was saying all those times he spoke of “taking no worry for tomorrow”?

Matthew 6:25-34 KJV – Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Those that refuse to see and understand the truth on this – those that scoff – will be desperate for a reason, any reason – why the voice of the Lord crashing inside their souls is not really the voice of the Lord.

They will be desperate to hold onto that delusion that made them special, that delusion that said they were stronger than everybody else. That delusion that gave them station and status before the rapture.

That station that allowed them to believe they were better than the rest of us.

To them, it simply will not be possible that they got this wrong. They will look to anything as proof. They will see the sheer volume of unbelievers that perished, and it will provide the required proof.

“See, it is everybody that has fallen. This was not the rapture – it was the judgment of God. This is the tribulation!”

Next comes the critical error – the unforgivable error:

“That voice that keeps saying the rapture has occurred – it cannot be God speaking. I can see with my own eyes that this was not the rapture. If it’s not God. . .

It is Satan! The Devil is trying to break my faith! Get behind me Satan!”

It’s game over at that point.

Matthew 12:31-33 KJV – Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. ~

Blasphemy here is Strong’s number 988 – blasphemia – Blasphemy, slander, malicious talk. It is evil speaking, railings or railing against something.

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit – or the evil railing or evil speaking against the spirit of God. It is declaring the words of the Lord as the words of Satan. It is declaring the revelation of God as a lie from Satan.

It is unforgivable. We will come back to this in a moment.

Those guilty of such an offense are lost forever. To make matters worse, if their hearts were so puffed up and they were so full of their own lusts that they could fall to such a state – what is to stop them from the next lie, the next deception to come?

“The Lord meant me for the times of the tribulation that I might save others. That means I can take the mark to advance his kingdom. I bet the scriptures actually say that somewhere!”

It will not matter whether they accept the mark or not. They are already lost.

That is why Satan fights the pre-trib rapture so vigorously. If he can snag the believer, they are at risk of walking down a path from which they can never recover.

Let’s take this point, and expand on it further.

Very soon, salvation and overcoming will take on a whole new meaning.

Those that sat down on Christ, expecting to “make their stand” in the tribulation shall soon get their chance. However, they will find that overcoming required three elements :

The world, the flesh and the devil.

Unfortunately, they will learn first hand why Christ warned that those who scoff and deny his soon return are living in their own flesh. They will soon understand in all too real terms why Christ said these very people would be cast into outer darkness.

They will soon learn of what Christ was warning – if they could not overcome, having full faith in his promises when their life was not the price – they stand little chance of standing when horrors beyond their imagination are thrust upon them.

Sadly, that is not even the greatest danger to their souls.

Let’s go a little further on something we covered a moment ago. Many of those that scoff will not be able to bear the thought that it was they that were wrong. They will search for any reason why the voice of the Lord inside them is not really the Lord. A voice that is calling them to repent.

Satan shall be all too happy to provide them with one.

Have you ever wondered how a believer that has the Holy Spirit could miss the rapture, end up in the tribulation – and then end up perishing?

It works like this – as believers we still fall down and sin. We are called to repentance. When the Lord comes to us, and makes us aware of our sins, we are to seek forgiveness. We all do this everyday. Here is the problem – up until the rapture occurs, there is nothing yet to point out, as everyday prior was an active chance to get it right.

The rapture is the reward for faithfulness. Salvation is the reward for salvation is the reward for salvation.

These believers will miss the rapture with some pretty big things to repent of. If they die without this repentance they are lost. It goes to what Paul said about willfully sinning after salvation, and there being no sacrifice left for us.

Hebrews 10:24-27 – And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Let’s take this back to something I said a moment ago.

So, what will happen is that the Lord will come to these wayward believers and call them to repentance. However, that flesh they failed to overcome will have a greater hold on many of them. There is no way they were the ones wrong. What happened did not even look like the rapture!

Then Satan will come.

“It was not the rapture – it was a judgment. It is in the Bible that this would come. I always knew the tribulation would come first! So, that voice – it’s not God – it’s Satan, trying to get me to lose faith!”

It’s game over at that point.

That is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. At that instant their names are blotted from the Lamb’s Book of Life, the Holy Spirit departs from them – and they are lost forever.

As we said earlier, the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the one unforgivable sin.

The Lord did not take their salvation, nor did any man.

Our wayward believer gave it back – freely, of their own accord.

In the name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.